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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:45 am
Don't worry Racefan, I have seen it bad on both sides of the coin, seeing NH come up with unrealistic things while NS just tries to push for a pairing moment that isn't really there. I also wish for this so called pairing war to be over, but there is still so much to happen in this series and I feel romance can take a seat and wait to occur.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Bubbles Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:23 am
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=18401409&postcount=35948
Read for more smashing of NarSack lulgic.
Read for more smashing of NarSack lulgic.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by lily567 Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:20 am
yup ns logic has been invalid
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by racefan1992 Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:20 am
Bubbles wrote:http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=18401409&postcount=35948
Read for more smashing of NarSack lulgic.
Bubbles once again shows up too save the day and my mood.
BTW i must be honest Yu-Yu Hakashu was Main/Seconary? News too me because i thought it was main/main.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:56 pm
NS keeps coming up with the same old same old right so here is one that might get some of us laughing.
I gave the answer to the question, to which it left a forum because it didn't like the answer.
Naruto never said he was going to pursue Sakura, in fact Naruto's crush on Sakura isn't an important part of his character, the most important parts of his character is to become Hokage, to be respected by the villagers and to surpass the previous Hokage. So how does that make him a quitter if he doesn't go after her?
- NS comment:
- If Naruto doesn't pursue Sakura, it would just make him a quitter
I gave the answer to the question, to which it left a forum because it didn't like the answer.
Naruto never said he was going to pursue Sakura, in fact Naruto's crush on Sakura isn't an important part of his character, the most important parts of his character is to become Hokage, to be respected by the villagers and to surpass the previous Hokage. So how does that make him a quitter if he doesn't go after her?
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by Bubbles Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:43 pm
Because Nardo never gives up! If he gave up on Sakura it would be out of character for him, and he'd be giving up on Sakura, which he'd never do because he loved her all this time!
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:30 pm
My thoughts exactly, Especially when there is no evidence that Naruto was really in love with Sakura throughout the series and whether his crush is still in play. I learned a few minor thing, never say NS has been resolved, it reacts badly. Also never say the comparison between Kushina and Sakura means little, it also reacts in a foul manner.
there is one more thing, oh right, never downplay Sai's comments, because supposedly he knows a lot about basic and complex human emotions and interactions. nope there is another, a lot of the positive romantic development in the last few arcs have been NaruHina, don't say that either, NS would get really angry, I learned that by almost getting banned on a separate forum.
there is one more thing, oh right, never downplay Sai's comments, because supposedly he knows a lot about basic and complex human emotions and interactions. nope there is another, a lot of the positive romantic development in the last few arcs have been NaruHina, don't say that either, NS would get really angry, I learned that by almost getting banned on a separate forum.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by racefan1992 Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:35 am
51-mustang wrote:NS keeps coming up with the same old same old right so here is one that might get some of us laughing.
- NS comment:
I gave the answer to the question, to which it left a forum because it didn't like the answer.
Naruto never said he was going to pursue Sakura, in fact Naruto's crush on Sakura isn't an important part of his character, the most important parts of his character is to become Hokage, to be respected by the villagers and to surpass the previous Hokage. So how does that make him a quitter if he doesn't go after her?
NS once again completely mis-represents Narutos character, the word/s "quit/give up" are not in his dictionary. But they are not is his nindo "never run away and never go back on what you say."
Naruto realized a long time ago Sakura would never love him, even when she lied too him it proably further drove home that point.
Atleast Hinata gave honest and truthful reasons why she loves him.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Irielo Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:04 pm
NS arguments are mainly based on its conviction that Naruto is in love with Sakura. That's why it tries desperately to force Sakura to fall in love with Naruto. The latter was, at the beginning, fanboying on Sakura. He did not know her very much at that time but after some missions they had together and the events regarding Sasuke, Naruto realized that his teammate was/is in love with his best friend.
Instead of trying to break that love, Naruto respected it and helped by trying to bring back Sakura's beloved one. That's the reason of the POAL. When Kakashi asked them what their goals were, Sakura was the only one who expressed something romantic by suggesting that her goal was to be one day together with Sasuke. Naruto knows very well that Sakura would be happy with Sasuke and he knows that Sakura would bring happiness to Sasuke as well.
And that's the thing with Naruto, he often put others before himself: he wants to see his dear friends Sasuke and Sakura happy. However, he had to realize that he can also be happy, that love is also by his side. He might have felt sometimes (before Hinata's confession) that his romantic life was missing something but the way he thanked her (ch 615) showed that he now feels complete.
Instead of trying to break that love, Naruto respected it and helped by trying to bring back Sakura's beloved one. That's the reason of the POAL. When Kakashi asked them what their goals were, Sakura was the only one who expressed something romantic by suggesting that her goal was to be one day together with Sasuke. Naruto knows very well that Sakura would be happy with Sasuke and he knows that Sakura would bring happiness to Sasuke as well.
And that's the thing with Naruto, he often put others before himself: he wants to see his dear friends Sasuke and Sakura happy. However, he had to realize that he can also be happy, that love is also by his side. He might have felt sometimes (before Hinata's confession) that his romantic life was missing something but the way he thanked her (ch 615) showed that he now feels complete.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Bubbles Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:27 am
NS: Sakura feels pain because she loves Sasuke.
Sasuke's actions cause Sakura pain, never her love for him. Sakura would feel pain regardless of her romantic feelings because Sasuke went down a dark path, of course it causes her and Naruto pain, he was making terrible decisions that was pulling him further and further from his old self and them.
Does NS also think that Naruto's brother feelings for Sasuke causes him the pain or the fact that Sasuke left and was out making terrible decisions? I wouldn't be surprised if it did but, I myself am going with the latter for him and for Sakura because before his terrible decisions, they felt no pain, and after he left, they only felt pain because of his absence, never the way they felt about him in general.
That hasn't changed. Sakura loving Sasuke is not where her pain lies. It lies in Sasuke's decisions.
Sasuke's actions cause Sakura pain, never her love for him. Sakura would feel pain regardless of her romantic feelings because Sasuke went down a dark path, of course it causes her and Naruto pain, he was making terrible decisions that was pulling him further and further from his old self and them.
Does NS also think that Naruto's brother feelings for Sasuke causes him the pain or the fact that Sasuke left and was out making terrible decisions? I wouldn't be surprised if it did but, I myself am going with the latter for him and for Sakura because before his terrible decisions, they felt no pain, and after he left, they only felt pain because of his absence, never the way they felt about him in general.
That hasn't changed. Sakura loving Sasuke is not where her pain lies. It lies in Sasuke's decisions.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by lily567 Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:49 am
lily567 wrote:it has always been his actions because if it was her love for him that causes her pain then she would've probably given up on him every since
another thing I noticed, you know there is a photo about naruto and hinata, I think I will post it and let you guys see it
here is the link
https://www.facebook.com/A.Patient.Love/photos/a.650047435038810.1073741828.650024825041071/670869312956622/?type=1&theatre
who ever did this did a great job designing it but why does naruto and hinata look uncomfortable but when I saw the 'narusaku ' one, they look happy in it compared to naruto and hinata one
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:18 pm
Love how it says, that Hinata basically committed suicide in front of Naruto and it wasn't her that saved Naruto's life, after her confession, that it was all Minato that saved Naruto in the end, it in fact goes on to say that Hinata's confession did more damage than good. but when it comes to Sakura's confession all it can say is how can a character fake a blush, defend her confession saying it was all for Naruto's well being, making Sai out to be more capable about knowing basic and complex human emotions and interactions.
so about the first one, I asked what would have happened if Hinata didn't jump in to defend Naruto? would Minato have saved his son? would Naruto be alive up to this point? then I go on to ask this question, how did it do more damage? in that chapter alone Hinata was really the first female character to express love to Naruto and to prove it at the same time.
With Sakura's confession she only told Naruto what he wanted to know, she knew that if she told Naruto what he needed to know he would be upset, but in the end he was upset by Sakura lying not only to herself but to Naruto as well, but that was left to Sai and Naruto was hurt by the information that Sai had given him.
what I have noticed in the last 230 or so chapters is that NaruHina, has been given the spotlight to grow, while NaruSaku sort of fell away, the chance of any romance building between the two (Naruto and Sakura) hasn't been brought up in some time. using the fact that Naruto never goes back on his words is where it gets a gun and shoots whatever foot off, because we all know for a fact that Naruto has never said that he would pursue Sakura (if you go filler which still doesn't count) or the fact that he has never stated that he was in love with Sakura to begin with, making it seem like NH is calling Naruto a quitter to me is showing that it really has very little left to defend NarSak with.
I have seen so many arguments which involve databook 3, the so called blessing from Minato, the comparison to Kushina for Sakura and now most recently chapter 663. to which I ask really?
so about the first one, I asked what would have happened if Hinata didn't jump in to defend Naruto? would Minato have saved his son? would Naruto be alive up to this point? then I go on to ask this question, how did it do more damage? in that chapter alone Hinata was really the first female character to express love to Naruto and to prove it at the same time.
With Sakura's confession she only told Naruto what he wanted to know, she knew that if she told Naruto what he needed to know he would be upset, but in the end he was upset by Sakura lying not only to herself but to Naruto as well, but that was left to Sai and Naruto was hurt by the information that Sai had given him.
what I have noticed in the last 230 or so chapters is that NaruHina, has been given the spotlight to grow, while NaruSaku sort of fell away, the chance of any romance building between the two (Naruto and Sakura) hasn't been brought up in some time. using the fact that Naruto never goes back on his words is where it gets a gun and shoots whatever foot off, because we all know for a fact that Naruto has never said that he would pursue Sakura (if you go filler which still doesn't count) or the fact that he has never stated that he was in love with Sakura to begin with, making it seem like NH is calling Naruto a quitter to me is showing that it really has very little left to defend NarSak with.
I have seen so many arguments which involve databook 3, the so called blessing from Minato, the comparison to Kushina for Sakura and now most recently chapter 663. to which I ask really?
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Irielo Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:39 pm
^How could Hinata's confession do more dammage to Naruto?!? Has NS forgotten how Naruto complimented her for her strength in chapter 559? Has NS forgotten that thanks to her action and confession, Naruto went nearly 9 tails and that made him meet his father and later on his mother?
NS as usual is denying things it can't digest. If it were Sakura who intervened against Pein, then NS would have described her as the greatest heroine ever in mangas' history.
Naruto did not expect that someone could love him to that extent. He saw how Sakura was in love with Sasuke without knowing at that time that there was someone (Hinata) who was in love with him. He had to realize one day one way or the other. If Hinata's confession did not mean anything to Naruto, I seriously doubt he would have been so positive to her during the interactions they had afterwards.
NS as usual is denying things it can't digest. If it were Sakura who intervened against Pein, then NS would have described her as the greatest heroine ever in mangas' history.
Naruto did not expect that someone could love him to that extent. He saw how Sakura was in love with Sasuke without knowing at that time that there was someone (Hinata) who was in love with him. He had to realize one day one way or the other. If Hinata's confession did not mean anything to Naruto, I seriously doubt he would have been so positive to her during the interactions they had afterwards.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:54 pm
the major thing is I have discovered on another forum which is neutral to the pairing debate, which I nearly got banned from because I was asking too many questions of NS and why it would never work out. then I said something that angered NS to such an extent that it was asking me to get banned, and thought what, but why, I stated the truth.
what I said was Hinata's confession is still relevant in fact I think Hinata does deserve a response no matter what type of response it is. but when Sakura made her confession it received the proper response giving a resolution to NaruSaku in that affect, but NS in all the denial continues to say that NaruSaku has not been resolved, and that Naruto would never give up on winning Sakura because he knows it is one sided but that will not stop him from trying to win her over, (yes it used a line from the filler arc)
what I said was Hinata's confession is still relevant in fact I think Hinata does deserve a response no matter what type of response it is. but when Sakura made her confession it received the proper response giving a resolution to NaruSaku in that affect, but NS in all the denial continues to say that NaruSaku has not been resolved, and that Naruto would never give up on winning Sakura because he knows it is one sided but that will not stop him from trying to win her over, (yes it used a line from the filler arc)
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Irielo Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:20 am
^NS has to understand that Sakura is not an object, nor a prize, nor a title. Naruto would not give up on winning the Hokage's title for instance but he knows that Sakura is deeply in love with Sasuke and he respects that.
That's actually the problem when one ignores or forgets the original work , the manga, by giving more importance to things outside the original story. Unfortunately, the fillers sometimes contradict the story by creating useless misunderstandings between the characters' feelings and that leads to a misinterpretation of the story. I can understand thus the confusion...
That's actually the problem when one ignores or forgets the original work , the manga, by giving more importance to things outside the original story. Unfortunately, the fillers sometimes contradict the story by creating useless misunderstandings between the characters' feelings and that leads to a misinterpretation of the story. I can understand thus the confusion...
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:29 am
I even said to it that fillers don't count for any pairing, it isn't part of the original works of Kishimoto, the fillers basically ignore a lot of what Kishi puts into his manga, for example, I was in an argument a little while ago. it said that Sakura said that she cannot fight the person she used to love. the more it uses fillers, the more I push my keyboard to the side and bash my head on the desk.
I even said that fillers don't count for NaruHina, NaruSaku, SasuSaku, NaruIno (well that last one was just a bit of stupidity on my part) so there is no need to be using fillers. my evidence comes from the manga, and the evidence suggests that NaruHina has the advantage over NaruSaku. unless a moment proves otherwise then I will continue to say that NH is in the better position.
I even said that fillers don't count for NaruHina, NaruSaku, SasuSaku, NaruIno (well that last one was just a bit of stupidity on my part) so there is no need to be using fillers. my evidence comes from the manga, and the evidence suggests that NaruHina has the advantage over NaruSaku. unless a moment proves otherwise then I will continue to say that NH is in the better position.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Irielo Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:43 am
I, personally, don't want even to compare NH to NS. They work on different levels. The manga suggests a romantic development between Naruto and Hinata. There is also a development between Naruto and Sakura but a development based on friendship, trust and respect.
So, the nature of NH and NS development is not the same and to me, that's what the manga has expressed until now. NS does not want to admit that Sakura is in love with Sasuke and it can't accept the fact that Naruto has been very positive to Hinata in the process of returning her feelings.
So, the nature of NH and NS development is not the same and to me, that's what the manga has expressed until now. NS does not want to admit that Sakura is in love with Sasuke and it can't accept the fact that Naruto has been very positive to Hinata in the process of returning her feelings.
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by Taushishi17 Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:29 am
Ok ok I just have to say this NS has had too and I say TOO many chances to become a canon paring BUT Kishi seems to draw a manga page with a big "NO!NOT TODAY BOOBOO LOL" written in huge letters after every SO CALLED NS MOMENT and pimp slaps NS in the face with it.Ever since the beginning when we find out Naruto has a crush on her,Sakura couldve returned the feelings but NOOOO NOT TODAY! shes in love with Sasuke.When Sasuke leaves the village Sakura had plenty of time to fall for Naruto BUT NOOOO Sasuke is on her mind.When Sakura was about to feed Naruto even though she said it coudnt be helped *which kinda means she didnt wanna do it* wouldve been a cute NS moment but NOOOO DIDNT HAPPEN!kage summit NOOOO NOT TODAY SHE LIED AND NARUTO KNEW IT AND SHE STILL HAD SASUKE ON HER MIND!!!The whole ch.631 thing she couldve blushed and joked it off but NOOO SHE SMACKED NARUTO AND BLUSHED AT SASUKE.Even now with the whole CPR kiss instead of just thinking about Naruto's dream and not wanting him to die this wouldve been the perfect cliche NS moment with her crying and admiting her love to him while doing cpr *not to mention while she was doing CPR she had a weird look on her face but it cant be helped right???*BUT NOOOO SHE JUST DID WHAT SHE HAD TO DO AND THAT WAS TO HELP HER FRIEND AND THATS IT HOW IS THAT A BEAUTIFUL CANNON MOMENT?I DONT KNOW...
If Kishi wanted NS to work he wouldve done it a long time ago and we all know Sakura isnt a jerk why would she fall in love with Naruto all of a sudden when she KNOWS THAT HINATA HAS LOVED HIM THIS WHOLE TIME?
Now thats what i call food for thought...
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If Kishi wanted NS to work he wouldve done it a long time ago and we all know Sakura isnt a jerk why would she fall in love with Naruto all of a sudden when she KNOWS THAT HINATA HAS LOVED HIM THIS WHOLE TIME?
Now thats what i call food for thought...
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Mustang Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:52 am
What NS doesn't consider is that all the positive development with NaruHina, Kishi didn't have to do it, he didn't have to make that tender moment in chapter 559 and 615, but I think he felt it would be the right way to go. That's right, Sakura has known for some time now that Hinata is in love with her teammate, I have never pictured Sakura as a bitch, to get in the way of her friend's happiness.
Naruto also knew that Sakura loves Sasuke, so why should he get in the way, Naruto isn't a complete jerk, sure he can be an idiot but he is a very perceptive character. he has known that Sakura has been in love with the person he considers a brother, so what would that make Naruto if he got between his brother and his friend? what would that make Sakura is she got between her two friends?
The good thing is that the character are neither of what was coming to mind, they are better than that. I simply cannot stand when it makes Naruto a love sick idiot, he has to mature, his greatest sense of maturity is him growing over his crush on Sakura that was going nowhere.
Naruto also knew that Sakura loves Sasuke, so why should he get in the way, Naruto isn't a complete jerk, sure he can be an idiot but he is a very perceptive character. he has known that Sakura has been in love with the person he considers a brother, so what would that make Naruto if he got between his brother and his friend? what would that make Sakura is she got between her two friends?
The good thing is that the character are neither of what was coming to mind, they are better than that. I simply cannot stand when it makes Naruto a love sick idiot, he has to mature, his greatest sense of maturity is him growing over his crush on Sakura that was going nowhere.
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by racefan1992 Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:14 am
It has been said on here before, so i'll repeat it: Kishi/editors wrote certain scenes a certain way. It has too make you think or NS case, not think at all.
BTW the "blessing" hasn't been brought up since 631, it has been over 30 chapters, find a new straw too grab NS.
BTW the "blessing" hasn't been brought up since 631, it has been over 30 chapters, find a new straw too grab NS.
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by Irielo Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:46 am
Minato's "blessing"? Oh! I did not know Minato was a priest/pastor... It's not a question of if it has been brought up or not. Minato is not Naruto, right? Minato had his own experiences and Naruto had his own. Naruto and Sakura lives do not belong to Minato.
He might have assumed that Sakura was Naruto's girlfriend because he saw that Sakura is a closed person to Naruto but he did not live Naruto's life. That's why I think he's realized his mistakes afterwards. Just observe how embarrassed his face looked afterwards.
He might have assumed that Sakura was Naruto's girlfriend because he saw that Sakura is a closed person to Naruto but he did not live Naruto's life. That's why I think he's realized his mistakes afterwards. Just observe how embarrassed his face looked afterwards.
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by racefan1992 Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:28 am
Irielo wrote:Minato's "blessing"? Oh! I did not know Minato was a priest/pastor... It's not a question of if it has been brought up or not. Minato is not Naruto, right? Minato had his own experiences and Naruto had his own. Naruto and Sakura lives do not belong to Minato.
He might have assumed that Sakura was Naruto's girlfriend because he saw that Sakura is a closed person to Naruto but he did not live Naruto's life. That's why I think he's realized his mistakes afterwards. Just observe how embarrassed his face looked afterwards.
Minato and NS assumed things and we know what assume means don't we...
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by Mustang Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:31 am
the funny thing about Minato is, he doesn't even know who Sakura is, so to ask Sakura if she is Naruto's girlfriend is a too much jumping the gun, he still doesn't even know her name. He might of compared her temper to Kushina's but that comparison isn't really all that important, every important comparison by him about Kushina after that moment where he was proven wrong has all been Naruto, and those comparison have all been important things about what Kushina was like as a person.
makes Minato feel like he can achieve anything, even putting his son in the same picture as his wife. what makes the Minato's words laughable is that he actually doesn't know his son all that well either, he has been dead for 17 years, so what makes NS think that he actually knows what was going on between his death and now?
makes Minato feel like he can achieve anything, even putting his son in the same picture as his wife. what makes the Minato's words laughable is that he actually doesn't know his son all that well either, he has been dead for 17 years, so what makes NS think that he actually knows what was going on between his death and now?
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by Bubbles Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:41 am
- My thoughts on NS and love:
- Personally, I don't believe Sakura or Naruto "getting in the way" is the issue at all. If you really love someone, you don't step aside for anyone else, you never sacrifice your love for someone else, that only leads to bitterness.
But this is partly where NS has already failed. It tries to say Naruto loves Sakura first of all (despite having no panel saying so), and then it says Naruto stepped aside for Sakura to love Sasuke, but he still loves her and pines for her, and on top of it, it says Naruto wants to confess, but can't because he cannot keep his promises. So he has turned himself into a love martyr on his own terms instead of stepping in to prove in his own way that he would make Sakura happy?
If he couldn't confess, the least he could do is actually show how much he loved her. If Naruto is really in love, the way he interacts and thinks about Sakura should be much diferent. But we never see that, and then NS wants to give it the shonen pass. Yeah, only when it suits NS.
Just no. Naruto doesn't get to sit on his butt waiting for Sakura to fall in his lap, while Sakura and Hinata go all out to prove they love those boys. This is where one of NaruSaku's "shonen cop outs" come in. Naruto will get Sakura despite it all via titular character status. Some bullshit if I ever heard it. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura just because he is the title character or "obvious better man."
Hinata is not entitled to Naruto over Sakura just because she loves him, even if Sakura knows it. Sakura is not entitled to Sasuke just because she endured this long. What matters is the way the ones they pursue respond to their feelings as well as the way they choose to pursue.
I don't believe Sakura, Naruto or Hinata should step aside for anyone else short of the one they love completely rejecting them romantically or being canon with another. At this point, Naruto has praised Hinata saving him, read her eyes, held her hand and thanked her for being by his side. Not once did he reject her romantic feelings no matter how many times NS wants to say he ignored it.
Sakura has rejected Naruto's advances and even light hearted advances on numerous occasions, while pursuing Sasuke and showing everyone how much she loves him, even despite his many faults and bad decisions. She has shown no evidence of falling for Naruto romantically.
Sasuke has been ambiguous this whole time, though I do believe there has been times where the cracks slipped a bit to see what he might have felt. NS ignores this very real possibility that Sasuke could reciprocate. It's confidence is at its peak because its under the impression that "self sacrificing" Naruto put Sakura loving Sasuke before himself yet will still win her in the end when Sakura switches. Because it thinks Sasuke will not reciprocate and Sakura is moving on from Sasuke because she doesn't trust him.- SS:
- All I have to say about the trust argument is that Sakura loved Sasuke at his lowest point. There was certainly neither trust nor belief in Sasuke coming back at that point...and yet she still loved him. Sakura being worried and even a bit untrusting of what he might do is understandable given the context of everything. Sakura still loves him despite any possible lack of trust at the moment, though right now it seems Sasuke has truly changed (of course), though there are still some questions.
Kishi hasn't shown SS interacting yet really, NS is as usual, being very presumptuous. There are still quite a few things left unsaid, including that Sakura still loves Sasuke. Kishi had Naruto repeat that Sasuke was his friend in Kage Summit and Sasuke looked shocked as he questioned before why Naruto cared so much. Imagine if Sakura told him why she cared so much. We also still need to see Kishi address SS as a whole, it is still a factor even if NS hisses at the thought of it.
Naruto has done the bare minimum, asking for dates in a light hearted manner every once in a blue moon (and getting rejected every time it counts). NS tries to squeeze in POAL as one of Naruto showing love, but context is Naruto already planned to bring Sasuke back.
In short, the promise was a comfort for Sakura, one of reassurance. It never mattered if it existed, because he would still go after Sasuke. Yes, Naruto cared about keeping the promise because of his nindo of never going back on his words, and yes I believe he didn't want to let her down either. This does not equate to strong romantic feelings.
This equates to Naruto promising something and sticking with it. Naruto had feelings for her and he was sad she loved Sasuke, but NS squeezes in that he compared her hurt feelings for Sasuke's absence with his hurt feelings of Sakura loving Sasuke and not him.- the POAL:
- The context is completely off. Sakura is upset because the one she loves left. Naruto is upset because the one he loves like a brother and one of first friends left. He can understand her pain because he loves Sasuke too in a brotherly way. NS tries to say it's because Sasuke is Sakura's unrequited love and Sakura is Naruto's, but context shows it has nothing to do with that.
They are in mutual pain because of their absent precious person. Naruto liking Sakura has nothing to do with the understanding they had back then. Of course Naruto was sad she loved Sasuke, he likes her too. The POAL was the beginning of their future growing close bond. It was also made toward the end for Naruto leave for 3 years and reflect on knowing Sakura loves Sasuke.
This is just one of the many issues with NS. It tries to mix in its own story twists to make NS fit where it clearly doesn't.
The problem wouldn't be Sakura pursuing Naruto while knowing Hinata loves him; the problem would be doing so while falling for him now that he's a big shot. The message it would send is the issue. The way the characters would look is the issue. I don't think Sakura would be a bitch for pursuing Naruto despite Hinata's feelings if she truly loved him.
Sakura would be a fickle woman if she pursued him just because he's changed into a better man than she used to think of him as. One who went from zero to hero and not because she truly loved him despite it all. It was Sakura herself who stated her switching from Sasuke to Naruto would render her fickle and her confession with him flat out stated that now that Sasuke is a criminal and Naruto a hero, let's get together. Kishimoto, if he planned on making NS, he made a huge mistake with 469. But I do not believe he is making NS.
Why even have a confession if Naruto will reject it, and furthermore have Sakura say such fickle things and that be her reason to love him? Especially on top of Hinata's genuine confession.
NS says those are good reasons to love him. It's true, they are. But the point is that she would have switched at the drop of a hat for reasons of Naruto being the hero and no longer the loser he used to be. Her love would be for those reasons alone.
That looks bad enough, but then add in a girl who really loves Naruto even with all his faults and who liked him far before she or the village did and you have a comparision that makes NS look like the wrong choice for the two characters involved.
Naruto deserves to be loved for who he is, not what he has become. Hinata is the girl for him. Sakura deserves to at the very least be acknowledged for her perseverance to Sasuke, even if he does not love her romantically.
She should also not be reduced to the kind of person who would sell out to fame and heroism, especially given how admirable and strong she has been shown to be by enduring. This story is about forgiveness, enduring, friendship and love. Sakura would be going against the way her character has been portrayed up until now if she fell for Naruto for those reasons. And I don't think I need to stress again how pointless Hinata loving Naruto would be if NS happened, not to mention the asspull of a heelface turn regarding Kishi showing the depth of Sakura's love for Sasuke only to go for Naruto at the last second.
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Re: The Anti-NarSak Thread **READ FIRST POST**
by Irielo Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:05 pm
Bubbles wrote:
- My thoughts on NS and love:
But this is partly where NS has already failed. It tries to say Naruto loves Sakura first of all (despite having no panel saying so), and then it says Naruto stepped aside for Sakura to love Sasuke, but he still loves her and pines for her, and on top of it, it says Naruto wants to confess, but can't because he cannot keep his promises. So he has turned himself into a love martyr on his own terms instead of stepping in to prove in his own way that he would make Sakura happy?
If he couldn't confess, the least he could do is actually show how much he loved her. If Naruto is really in love, the way he interacts and thinks about Sakura should be much diferent. But we never see that, and then NS wants to give it the shonen pass. Yeah, only when it suits NS.
Just no. Naruto doesn't get to sit on his butt waiting for Sakura to fall in his lap, while Sakura and Hinata go all out to prove they love those boys. This is where one of NaruSaku's "shonen cop outs" come in. Naruto will get Sakura despitebit all via titular character status. Some bullshit if I ever heard it. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura just because he is the title character or "obvious better man."
Hinata is not entitled to Naruto over Sakura just because she loves him, even if Sakura knows it. Sakura is not entitled to Sasuke just because she endured this long. What matters is the way the ones they pursue respond to their feelings as well as the way they choose to pursue.
I don't believe Sakura, Naruto or Hinata should step aside for anyone else short of the one they love completely rejecting them romantically or being canon with another. At this point, Naruto has praised Hinata saving him, read her eyes, held her hand and thanked her for being by his side. Not once did he reject her romantic feelings no matter how many times NS wants to say he ignored it.
Sakura has rejected Naruto's advances and even light hearted advances on numerous occasions, while pursuing Sasuke and showing everyone how much she loves him, even despite his many faults and bad decisions. She has shown no evidence of falling for Naruto romantically.
Sasuke has been ambiguous this whole time, though I do believe there has been times where the cracks slipped a bit to see what he might have felt. NS ignores this very real possibility that Sasuke could reciprocate. It's confidence is at its peak because its under the impression that "self sacrificing" Naruto put Sakura loving Sasuke before himself yet will still win her in the end when Sakura switches. Because it thinks Sasuke will not reciprocate and Sakura is moving on from Sasuke because she doesn't trust him.
- SS:
Kishi hasn't shown SS interacting yet really, NS is as usual, being very presumptuous. There are still quite a few things left unsaid, including that Sakura still loves Sasuke. Kishi had Naruto repeat that Sasuke was his friend in Kage Summit and Sasuke looked shocked as he questioned before why Naruto cared so much. Imagine if Sakura told him why she cared so much. We also still need to see Kishi address SS as a whole, it is still a factor even if NS hisses at the thought of it.
Naruto has done the bare minimum, asking for dates in a light hearted manner every once in a blue moon (and getting rejected every time it counts). NS tries to squeeze in POAL as one of Naruto showing love, but context is Naruto already planned to bring Sasuke back.
In short, the promise was a comfort for Sakura, one of reassurance. It never mattered if it existed, because he would still go after Sasuke. Yes, Naruto cared about keeping the promise because of his nindo of never going back on his words, and yes I believe he didn't want to let her down either. This does not equate to strong romantic feelings.
This equates to Naruto promising something and sticking with it. Naruto had feelings for her and he was sad she loved Sasuke, but NS squeezes in that he compared her hurt feelings for Sasuke's absence with his hurt feelings of Sakura loving Sasuke and not him.
- the POAL:
They are in mutual pain because of their absent precious person. Naruto liking Sakura has nothing to do with the understanding they had back then. Of course Naruto was sad she loved Sasuke, he likes her too. The POAL was the beginning of their future growing close bond. It was also made toward the end for Naruto leave for 3 years and reflect on knowing Sakura loves Sasuke.
This is just one of the many issues with NS. It tries to mix in its own story twists to make NS fit where it clearly doesn't.
The problem wouldn't be Sakura pursuing Naruto while knowing Hinata loves him; the problem would be doing so while falling for him now that he's a big shot. The message it would send is the issue. The way the characters would look is the issue. I don't think Sakura would be a bitch for pursuing Naruto despite Hinata's feelings if she truly loved him.
Sakura would be a fickle woman if she pursued him just because he's changed into a better man than she used to think of him as. One who went from zero to hero and not because she truly loved him despite it all. It was Sakura herself who stated her switching from Sasuke to Naruto would render her fickle and her confession with him flat out stated that now that Sasuke is a criminal and Naruto a hero, let's get together. Kishimoto, if he planned on making NS, he made a huge mistake with 469. But I do not believe he is making NS.
Why even have a confession if Naruto will reject it, and furthermore have Sakura say such fickle things and that be her reason to love him? Especially on top of Hinata's genuine confession.
NS says those are good reasons to love him. It's true, they are. But the point is that she would have switched at the drop of a hat for reasons of Naruto being the hero and no longer the loser he used to be. Her love would be for those reasons alone.
That looks bad enough, but then add in a girl who really loves Naruto even with all his faults and who liked him far before she or the village did and you have a comparision that makes NS look like the wrong choice for the two characters involved.
Naruto deserves to be loved for who he is, not what he has become. Hinata is the girl for him. Sakura deserves to at the very least be acknowledged for her perseverance to Sasuke, even if he does not love her romantically. She should also not be reduced to the kind of person who would sell out to fame and heroism, especially given how admirable and strong she has been shown to be by enduring. This story is about forgiveness, enduring, friendship and love. Sakura would be going against the way her character has been portrayed up until now if she fell for Naruto for those reasons. And I don't think I need to stress again how pointless Hinata loving Naruto would be if NS happened p, not to mention the asspull of a heelfacd turn regarding Kishi showing the depth of Sakura's love for Sasuke only to go to Naruto at the last second.
Well done Bubbles! Once again you hit the nail on the head! +
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