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Chapter 650 discussion and Chapter 651 Predictions
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Well, I was almost right after all. Obito is testing Naruto to try and see if he was wrong after all this time. And it seems that Obito step by step starting to believe in Naruto. And it looks like Naruto and Sasuke are combined Bijuu Mode and Susano into one.
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Well, I was almost right after all. Obito is testing Naruto to try and see if he was wrong after all this time. And it seems that Obito step by step starting to believe in Naruto. And it looks like Naruto and Sasuke are combined Bijuu Mode and Susano into one.
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Rate and vote the chapter, 5 best and 1 worst.
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Thanks for sharing. Obito did not plan it. Like Kakashi said, his fight against Naruto is making him realizing that. Actually, the way Kakashi described it, that Obito might find an answer in Naruto reminds me of Nagato.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/650/13
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/650/13
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As I said, I almost was right. Obito started to see in Naruto an answer and so on he was testing him. I think he started to do so after Naruto broke his mask or maybe even before that, it was that time, when Obito started to talk a lot with Naruto, like if he was curious about why he is continue to fight. And in 615 Madara said "Looks like Obito is really interested in Naruto's answer".Irielo wrote:Thanks to share. Obito did not plan it. Like Kakashi said, his fight against Naruto is making him realizing that. Actually, the way Kakashi described it, that Obito might find an answer in Naruto reminds me of Obito.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/650/13
So I can predict now only this: Madara interfiere into battle, Obito's faith in Naruto will be big at that time to the point, where he will fight with Madara and sacrifiece him for Naruto's sake, redeeming himself in this way and joining with Rin in afterlife. Looks like in the end Obito will have a noble death, just as I wished for.
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Pretty good chapter.
I like how Naruto stood back up and answered Obito's question by saying that by doing that was his ninja way; to keep going, and never to give up. that was cool and also was a fantastic mini continue-on from when Hinata reminded him that he should never forget that ninja way from 615 (when Naruto felt like giving up and she slapped him). I like it.
Also In my point of view It's time for the tree to fall and Obito to learn his lesson as he's already realising his consequences.
5/5 great chapter.
I like how Naruto stood back up and answered Obito's question by saying that by doing that was his ninja way; to keep going, and never to give up. that was cool and also was a fantastic mini continue-on from when Hinata reminded him that he should never forget that ninja way from 615 (when Naruto felt like giving up and she slapped him). I like it.
Also In my point of view It's time for the tree to fall and Obito to learn his lesson as he's already realising his consequences.
5/5 great chapter.
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Sorry, I had to edit my post. I meant that this answer thing reminds me of Nagato. I also think that Obito and Madara might fight each other because both have different purposes. And that will probably come to a big clash between them.GreatKungLao wrote:As I said, I almost was right. Obito started to see in Naruto an answer and so on he was testing him. I think he started to do so after Naruto broke his mask or maybe even before that, it was that time, when Obito started to talk a lot with Naruto, like if he was curious about why he is continue to fight. And in 615 Madara said "Looks like Obito is really interested in Naruto's answer".Irielo wrote:Thanks to share. Obito did not plan it. Like Kakashi said, his fight against Naruto is making him realizing that. Actually, the way Kakashi described it, that Obito might find an answer in Naruto reminds me of Nagato.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/650/13
So I can predict now only this: Madara interfiere into battle, Obito's faith in Naruto will be big at that time to the point, where he will fight with Madara and sacrifiece him for Naruto's sake, redeeming himself in this way and joining with Rin in afterlife. Looks like in the end Obito will have a noble death, just as I wished for.
I liked this chapter too.
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Hmm... what can I say about this chapter other than it's what I expected would happen. Not a huge letdown but not that great either.
Orochimaru joining the fight and implying he has "plans" and "experiments" in the future is kind of cool.
Tsunade/Sakura team-up was, again, kind of cool and promising, even though katsuyu is just a big ol' chakra battery. Hopefully they get to fight.
The samurai dude using Iaido to chop up the tree was pretty awesome, I want the samurais get a bigger, more detailed fight scene later but that's probably not gonna happen. (I like swordfights :P )
The "Hiraishin" saving the day is overplayed, Kishi should just let the fodder die in this last push. It would give the scene more impact and tension.
I'm getting tired of the Naruto/Sasuke team-up though, I kind of want them to fail against Obito so the Alliance gets to have a real impact in the outcome of this war.
On another note, I find it fanboyishly awesome that the "nindo" was used in Hinata's birthweek chapter and now on Naruto's birthweek chapter.
Coincidence!?...yeah, probably.
Predictions? I don't know, more of the same I guess.
NaruSasu attacks Obito, Obito somehow deflects it.
Alliance attacks the tree only to be repelled.
Tobirama and Minato teleporting people.
Madara and Hashirama taunting and teasing but not doing much (Madara's Trump Card is going to be the volume climax, so not happening yet).
Maybe, hopefully, some Hiruzen/Orochimaru and Tsunade/Sakura sensei/student team-up attacks.
Orochimaru joining the fight and implying he has "plans" and "experiments" in the future is kind of cool.
Tsunade/Sakura team-up was, again, kind of cool and promising, even though katsuyu is just a big ol' chakra battery. Hopefully they get to fight.
The samurai dude using Iaido to chop up the tree was pretty awesome, I want the samurais get a bigger, more detailed fight scene later but that's probably not gonna happen. (I like swordfights :P )
The "Hiraishin" saving the day is overplayed, Kishi should just let the fodder die in this last push. It would give the scene more impact and tension.
I'm getting tired of the Naruto/Sasuke team-up though, I kind of want them to fail against Obito so the Alliance gets to have a real impact in the outcome of this war.
Obito has been wavering in his resolve for a long time. This is pretty much how I expected his character to go down too. Someone whose resolve got broken by Darth Madara and came to believe in the Dark Side, only to come to question the belief when he meets someone with much more resolve and optimism that is able to resist the darkness.GreatKungLao wrote:http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/650
Well, I was almost right after all. Obito is testing Naruto to try and see if he was wrong after all this time. And it seems that Obito step by step starting to believe in Naruto. And it looks like Naruto and Sasuke are combined Bijuu Mode and Susano into one.
On another note, I find it fanboyishly awesome that the "nindo" was used in Hinata's birthweek chapter and now on Naruto's birthweek chapter.
Coincidence!?...yeah, probably.
Predictions? I don't know, more of the same I guess.
NaruSasu attacks Obito, Obito somehow deflects it.
Alliance attacks the tree only to be repelled.
Tobirama and Minato teleporting people.
Madara and Hashirama taunting and teasing but not doing much (Madara's Trump Card is going to be the volume climax, so not happening yet).
Maybe, hopefully, some Hiruzen/Orochimaru and Tsunade/Sakura sensei/student team-up attacks.
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Your analysis is very interesting as usual Senpai! Regarding the Naruto/Sasuke's vs Obito issue and the role of the alliance, I won't say that I'd like to see Naruto and Sasuke falling. However, they have still problem in taking Obito down despite the fact that they are able to use Sennjutsu.
I'm curious to know how the alliance might help them... but I still want to believe that Shikamaru will come up with a nice strategy, then communicate it to Ino who will send it mentally to the whole alliance. Something like that could influence the outcome of the war and at the same time, that would show that the alliance played a determinant role without depending solely on Naruto and Sasuke or the former Hokages who are just Edo Tenseis.
That would thus fit to the concept that the new generation might surpass the former ones.
I'm curious to know how the alliance might help them... but I still want to believe that Shikamaru will come up with a nice strategy, then communicate it to Ino who will send it mentally to the whole alliance. Something like that could influence the outcome of the war and at the same time, that would show that the alliance played a determinant role without depending solely on Naruto and Sasuke or the former Hokages who are just Edo Tenseis.
That would thus fit to the concept that the new generation might surpass the former ones.
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By the way, a little fan-boy mode here.
I think we might very soon have a Naruto -> Hinata moment, since Obito started questioning Naruto about friendship and love. He said, that his friends and the village might betray him again and love will become hatred sooner or later. This is the perfect moment for Naruto to mention Hinata and friends further, which will be the compilation of Itachi's words about that Minato made this far thanks to Kushina and friends, the same way Naruto might say "I made this far thanks to Hinata and my fiends, as far as she and others by my side, I will not stop fighting, I promised and I'm not going back on my word".
I think we might very soon have a Naruto -> Hinata moment, since Obito started questioning Naruto about friendship and love. He said, that his friends and the village might betray him again and love will become hatred sooner or later. This is the perfect moment for Naruto to mention Hinata and friends further, which will be the compilation of Itachi's words about that Minato made this far thanks to Kushina and friends, the same way Naruto might say "I made this far thanks to Hinata and my fiends, as far as she and others by my side, I will not stop fighting, I promised and I'm not going back on my word".
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Well this fight only has a short time left to go, it seems like Obito was just testing him, but there is one question that needs to be answered, what about Madara, he seems to have vanished.
as for a NaruHina moment, I can feel it in my bones we aren't too far of from a moment.
as for a NaruHina moment, I can feel it in my bones we aren't too far of from a moment.
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I think Madara is waiting for the right time to put his plan into action. That's where problems might start between him and Obito. Madara is trying for now to use Obito and he is waiting for the right opportunity to realize his plan. However, Obito does not trust Madara and he has his own plan. That's why I think that both know about that and both know that one will have to get rid of the other one for their respective plan to succeed.51-mustang wrote:Well this fight only has a short time left to go, it seems like Obito was just testing him, but there is one question that needs to be answered, what about Madara, he seems to have vanished.
as for a NaruHina moment, I can feel it in my bones we aren't too far of from a moment.
When both were trying to get control over the Juubi, that was imo already a foreshadow of a probable fight between them in the future.
As far as a NaruHina moment is concerned, will it be like GreatKungLao described it: Naruto revealing once again how important Hinata and his friends are to him or will it be through a particular action?
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naruto was able to push forward and was not only reminded about his ninja way but about never giving up. thanks to hinata, he was able to resolve himself in so many ways. he didn't let obito get to him because he knew by his side he had one person(and others) who never gave up on him and never stopped believing in him and that person was hinata. in this chapter obito was yet again told by naruto about his ninja way and who reinforced that ninja way earlier hmm.. yes it was hinata. because of her, naruto was able to come this far and because of her naruto was able to lift the spirits of the alliance( with a little help from hashi) she may not have been there all the time ( a lot of screentime) but when she is with naruto, there is a difference in his actions, his belief gets stronger every time etcIrielo wrote:I think Madara is waiting for the right time to put his plan into action. That's where problems might start between him and Obito. Madara is trying for now to use Obito and he is waiting for the right opportunity to realize his plan. However, Obito does not trust Madara and he has his own plan. That's why I think that both know about that and both know that one will have to get rid of the other one for their respective plan to succeed.51-mustang wrote:Well this fight only has a short time left to go, it seems like Obito was just testing him, but there is one question that needs to be answered, what about Madara, he seems to have vanished.
as for a NaruHina moment, I can feel it in my bones we aren't too far of from a moment.
When both were trying to get control over the Juubi, that was imo already a foreshadow of a probable fight between them in the future.
As far as a NaruHina moment is concerned, will it be like GreatKungLao described it: Naruto revealing once again how important Hinata and his friends are to him or will it be through a particular action?
I think that naruto will fully understand that hinata Is the reason why he was maturing, why he was able to push forward, why his belief got stronger and why his feelings for her were different and stonger than the feelings he used to hold for sakura(as well as he feelings he holds for his friends)
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Like chapter 647, Naruto's resolve not to "look back" but forward is an echo of Hinata's motivation in chapter 633 to "move forward". In this current chapter, Naruto uses his nindo once again while answering Obito. Indeed, thanks to Hinata (confession - 437 and speech - 615), he remembered about his values and realized how worthy they are.lily567 wrote:naruto was able to push forward and was not only reminded about his ninja way but about never giving up. thanks to hinata, he was able to resolve himself in so many ways. he didn't let obito get to him because he knew by his side he had one person(and others) who never gave up on him and never stopped believing in him and that person was hinata. in this chapter obito was yet again told by naruto about his ninja way and who reinforced that ninja way earlier hmm.. yes it was hinata. because of her, naruto was able to come this far and because of her naruto was able to lift the spirits of the alliance( with a little help from hashi) she may not have been there all the time ( a lot of screentime) but when she is with naruto, there is a difference in his actions, his belief gets stronger every time etc
I think that naruto will fully understand that hinata Is the reason why he was maturing, why he was able to push forward, why his belief got stronger and why his feelings for her were different and stonger than the feelings he used to hold for sakura(as well as he feelings he holds for his friends)
Something else now. I'm curious to know what was Sasuke thinking about or if he was thinking about something when Obito was talking to Naruto about friends' betrayal. The panel(s) focused especially on Sasuke. In other words, does it only hint the probable Naruto vs Sasuke's fight or was Sasuke shown in order to suggest that Obito's words are influencing him, that he might think twice before "betraying" Naruto?
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/Naruto/Naruto-650/page-17
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^ I think Sasuke's thoughts are uncertain, because Kishimoto wants to keep his next move a secret for the time being. Ever since Sai questioned Juugo about Sasuke's true intentions, and the best he could reply with was a "Hell if I know!" was implied Sasuke might want something else than what he's claimed he does. That's just my take on it, though, could be wrong.
Anyways, decent chapter! The last page was the best part, as it seems like it might be the start of Sasuke's perfect susano form, similar to the one Madara used against the five kages? If it is, that would be so cool...
Anyways, decent chapter! The last page was the best part, as it seems like it might be the start of Sasuke's perfect susano form, similar to the one Madara used against the five kages? If it is, that would be so cool...
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Decent chapter. Glad things are moving along, but it's still dragging for me in some ways. I would like to see more involvement from the other shinobi, and preferably more Hinata since Kishi has made a point to put a panel or two of her in recent chapters. Something should happen soon. It's just a matter of when. Oh, and Obito still is being a little bitch, big surprise.
At least Kakashi will be back soon.
At least Kakashi will be back soon.
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