With Hinata, Naruto can achieve his goals

One of Naruto's goal was to achieve something great for the village and to be acknowledged by everybody.

After Pein, he became indeed Konoha's hero. But without Hinata's love and decision to interfere, this goal would have never been achieved. So, thumbs up to Hinata who came at the right time and did her best to awake Naruto's fighting spirit. That shows how she has the power to influence Naruto.

What are your feelings, thoughts about that?

Go Hinata!

Aww. Isn't just wonderful how she didn't like everyone hating him and now she was apart of why everyone is cheering and loves him.~
I'm getting feels..I'd better stop. :D

Irielo wrote:One of Naruto's goal was to achieve something great for the village and to be acknowledged by everybody.

After Pein, he became indeed Konoha's hero. But without Hinata's love and decision to interfere, this goal would have never been achieved. So, thumbs up to Hinata who came at the right time and did her best to awake Naruto's fighting spirit. That shows how she has the power to influence Naruto.

What are your feelings, thoughts about that?

I completly agree with you. do you remember what itachi said to naruto that "minato your father became hokage because he had your mother kushina and his friends to support him," I think the same theory applies to naruto having hinata and his friends to support him

Thank you so much lily567! I still can't remember about that, but I trust you.

 @ Classy LPS That shows how Hinata is really someone special

Omg yes!!!!
I agree with you, reps, reps flying everywhere!

Irielo wrote:Thank you so much lily567! I still can't remember about that, but I trust you.

 @ Classy LPS That shows how Hinata is really someone special

no problem .look at the chapter when naruto talked with edo tensei(sp) itachi after they defeated nagato

Very true, she is an important part of his life. She really saved him and has always been his support. Hinata wanted to be acknowledged as well and will be a source of his accomplishments a "Very" important one!

I completely agree, hinata is someone that can change Naruto's heart just like naruto can change everyone else's heart ^_^

Irielo wrote:One of Naruto's goal was to achieve something great for the village and to be acknowledged by everybody.

After Pein, he became indeed Konoha's hero. But without Hinata's love and decision to interfere, this goal would have never been achieved. So, thumbs up to Hinata who came at the right time and did her best to awake Naruto's fighting spirit. That shows how she has the power to influence Naruto.

What are your feelings, thoughts about that?

Actually, Naruto was acknowledged even before Pain attacked. That was the whole point behind Ebisu's flashback (and his moment) when Pain & Konan were attacking the village and the ninjas were refusing to tell either one where Naruto even was. It was only through ripping the info out of Shizune's mind (and killing her in the process) that they were able to get the information. Ebisu referred to the Naruto/Neji fight as the one that caused the villagers to start changing their minds on Naruto (of course, Naruto is ignorant to this fact--that's why he thinks it was the Pain fight that did it). Defeating Gaara during the subsequent Suna/Oto invasion helped solidify that support from the villagers. This was in chapter 426 if anyone needs the reference.

Of course, Naruto does not win the fight against Neji if it wasn't for his conversation with Hinata first. So, yes, Hinata has played a role in getting the villagers to change their mind on Naruto. However, the Pain fight just wasn't the situation that did it first.

Yamasaki Akaiko wrote:Actually, Naruto was acknowledged even before Pain attacked. That was the whole point behind Ebisu's flashback (and his moment) when Pain & Konan were attacking the village and the ninjas were refusing to tell either one where Naruto even was. It was only through ripping the info out of Shizune's mind (and killing her in the process) that they were able to get the information. Ebisu referred to the Naruto/Neji fight as the one that caused the villagers to start changing their minds on Naruto (of course, Naruto is ignorant to this fact--that's why he thinks it was the Pain fight that did it). Defeating Gaara during the subsequent Suna/Oto invasion helped solidify that support from the villagers. This was in chapter 426 if anyone needs the reference.

Of course, Naruto does not win the fight against Neji if it wasn't for his conversation with Hinata first. So, yes, Hinata has played a role in getting the villagers to change their mind on Naruto. However, the Pain fight just wasn't the situation that did it first.

I agree with this.

I just love the fact that Hinata was a part of this in order for the villagers to really acknowledge Naruto. It's really wonderful!~

@Yamasaki, but after the Pain fight is where we see the whole acknowledge him. With double pages like this, Kishi clearly wanted us to know this is THE moment. 

Anyway, yeah, she's definitely helped him in key moments of his life.

@ Yamasaki Akaiko

Sure the people in the village began to realize his potential and his brave acts before Pein. But the way he was praised and acknowledged as a hero after this event showed that he reached one of his goal: achieving something great for the village.

Never such a disaster happened before in Konoha, even those who died could be revive. So, with that event especially, Naruto left a print in the village history and in the people's heart and memories.

Batokusanagi wrote:@Yamasaki, but after the Pain fight is where we see the whole acknowledge him. With double pages like this, Kishi clearly wanted us to know this is THE moment.

Irielo wrote:@ Yamasaki Akaiko

Sure the people in the village began to realize his potential and his brave acts before Pein. But the way he was praised and acknowledged as a hero after this event showed that he reached one of his goal: achieving something great for the village.

Never such a disaster happened before in Konoha, even those who died could be revive. So, with that event especially, Naruto left a print in the village history and in the people's heart and memories.

When you "see" something happen is not the same as "when" something happens. Chapter 633 versus chapter 615 should be all the evidence I need to prove my point on this. The moment to let us know was in chapter 426 which was titled "Naruto and Konoha." That's when Kishimoto wanted us to know that Naruto was already acknowledged and accepted by the entire village. Chapter 450 (which was "The Joyous Village") is when Naruto got to find out that he was acknowledged, but neither of those chapters are when Naruto actually got the acknowledgement he had been seeking. When Naruto learns that he's been acknowledged (chapter 450) versus when the acknowledgement actually happens (in Part 1 right after the Suna/Oto invasion) are two completely different things. Now, it was important character development for Naruto that he didn't learn about his appreciation until after the Pain fight as that led to his lack of trust (but I think he would've had it even if he had learned that he'd gotten his acknowledgement back in Part 1).

Like it or not. The whole Pein's event was a turning point in Naruto's life and even the story itself. Mind you if Hinata remained the shy girl she was and did not intervene, then the moments which happen later on between them would not have existed...

Actually why not making a topic out of it, something like: when was Naruto really acknowledged by the whole village?

You can find some people that had already acknowledged him before 450, but going from that to "he had already been acknowledged by the village before" is kind of a stretch. I'll give you that he wasn't seen as the "demon fox kid" and hated anymore by anyone, but being called a hero by everyone was just in 450 which fullfils his promise to himself of being recognized as someone important by the village.

Irielo wrote:Like it or not. The whole Pein's event was a turning point in Naruto's life and even the story itself. Mind you if Hinata remained the shy girl she was and did not intervene, then the moments which happen later on between them would not have existed...

Actually why not making a topic out of it, something like: when was Naruto really acknowledged by the whole village?

There's no "like it or not" involved. You can't ignore the fact that he became a hero of the village after he saved them from Gaara (which he did get credit for; Sasuke would be partially responsible for that fact though I'm sure some sensed Kurama's chakra being used too just as they did during the Neji fight). He was credited for bringing Tsunade to the village (which was a big deal). They were worrying about Naruto when he was unable to bring back Sasuke and when Jiraiya died. They marveled at the fact that he helped save Gaara, when he was the Kazekage.

I don't like it when facts that Kishimoto gives are ignored to try to make a point, especially when it's not necessary. The overall point of this topic is that Hinata has played a big role in terms of Naruto gaining acknowledgement from the villagers. That fact is true. You can use the Pain fight for Naruto being able to achieve his goal of becoming Hokage. That's what changed with the Pain fight as that is when "Hokage" and "Naruto" finally started being something that connected with the villagers (and Hokage is a lot more than "hero" as there are a ton of "heroes" in the village--this war will also create some more amongst the K12 in particular). However, if you are going to talk about just becoming a hero to the village and gaining acknowledgement from the village, then you must use the Neji fight and its aftermath. That was also only possible due to Hinata restoring Naruto's confidence. That's my point. I don't like it when people ignore Hinata's significance in Part 1 in favor of Part 2 stuff either. That's what allows people to get away with saying things such as "chapter 615 had Hinata acting 'out of character'" without the appropriate push-back.

Batokusanagi wrote:You can find some people that had already acknowledged him before 450, but going from that to "he had already been acknowledged by the village before" is kind of a stretch. I'll give you that he wasn't seen as the "demon fox kid" and hated anymore by anyone, but being called a hero by everyone was just in 450 which fullfils his promise to himself of being recognized as someone important by the village.

It wasn't "some" it was "all." That was the point of chapter 426. It was to let us know that Naruto had become an accepted member as well as a hero of the village by everyone even though he didn't know it. I don't like it when facts get ignored to try to make a point. I'm also assuming you haven't read 426 recently or else you wouldn't try to emphasize "important" as it was made clear in 426 that Naruto is considered important to the village. They worried for his losses and cheered his successes. People don't do that if you're not considered important.

There's a difference between "when" something happens and when you "see" it. The "seeing it" happened for us when Naruto learned it mainly because this story is told usually from Naruto's point of view. It's rare we get insight on the others (unless it's Sasuke).

^Why do you think that we are ignoring about part 1 and Hinata's role in Naruto's life at that time? Please don't judge.

If you look at Naruto's face's expression when Hinata came to his rescue and when she confessed, he was really surprised as he was not expecting her to interfere in this fight. I think that's the time he started to realize that Hinata was important in his life. Not that he did not know about it, but that made him think a lot and realize who Hinata was. That led to the "It's all in your eyes" moment.

And I personally felt that the Pein's event settled one of Naruto's goal. That was like the final "blow" if you see what I mean. But if you already had this feeling before, well that's fine.

Like I wrote before, that would be an interesting topic to discuss about: when was Naruto really acknowledged...

Yamasaki Akaiko wrote:

Batokusanagi wrote:You can find some people that had already acknowledged him before 450, but going from that to "he had already been acknowledged by the village before" is kind of a stretch. I'll give you that he wasn't seen as the "demon fox kid" and hated anymore by anyone, but being called a hero by everyone was just in 450 which fullfils his promise to himself of being recognized as someone important by the village.

It wasn't "some" it was "all." That was the point of chapter 426. It was to let us know that Naruto had become an accepted member as well as a hero of the village by everyone even though he didn't know it. I don't like it when facts get ignored to try to make a point. I'm also assuming you haven't read 426 recently or else you wouldn't try to emphasize "important" as it was made clear in 426 that Naruto is considered important to the village. They worried for his losses and cheered his successes. People don't do that if you're not considered important.

There's a difference between "when" something happens and when you "see" it. The "seeing it" happened for us when Naruto learned it mainly because this story is told usually from Naruto's point of view. It's rare we get insight on the others (unless it's Sasuke).

No, it wasn't "all", that was his felllow ninja (still some). No chance Naruto's official acknowledgement is going to be Ebisu showing the Konoha ninja's changing opinion of Naruto from "worthless kid" to "fellow ninja". And that's nowhere near the clear village wide acknowledgement in 450 that elevated him to "hero". That's what I meant with "important" and why I said I did concede that Naruto was no longer seen as "the demon fox kid" which is what we see in 426.

Kishimoto's been hinting that Hinata plays a big role in Naruto's success since Part I.

Chuunin Exam -- Testing Portion: Hinata offers to give Naruto the answers to the test. Naruto refuses due to his not wanting to get caught, but he more than likely would've aced that test with her help, which would put him one step closer to his goal.

Chuunin Exams -- Prelims: Neji bashing Hinata and her beliefs, plus him hurting her is what motivated Naruto to train so hard. Without Hinata, I think Naruto would've practiced, but not as vigorously as he did.

Chuunin Exams--Final Stage: Hinata gave Naruto the "Proud Failure" pep talk to boost Naruto's spirits. Again, she (along with Lee, to some extent) played a big role in Naruto's motivation. Before calling on the fox's chakra, he's angered by Neji's ill treatment of Hinata and he lectures him. While summoning the fox's chakra, he recalls the vow is the reason for his desire to defeat Neji; he also remembers telling Hinata to come watch him beat Neji (sounds to me like he wanted to show off, too). Naruto wins. The whole village is shocked and they cheer for Naruto. They're acknowleging him in a positive way. That's something he's wanted his whole life; no matter how hard people try to deny it, Hinata played a huge role in that. She was also the main person on his mind after he won.

End of Part I --Departure: Kishimoto is so sneaky sometimes. Hinata was the last person to see Naruto as he left to train with Jiraiya; she saw him looking at Minato's face on the Hokage monument. Even prior to Naruto discovering his relation to Minato, he always viewed him as an idol. In Chapter 1, Naruto tells Iruka the strongest Hokage of all was Minato and that he was to surpass him so everyone will recognize him. An editor's note in Chapter 440 stated that Minato was the back that Naruto's been chasing after all these years. Anyways, Naruto seeing Hinata injured by Pain triggered his transformation and his seal almost failing is what caused Minato -- Naruto's hero-- to appear, right? After Minato redid the seal and restored faith in Naruto, Naruto finished what he started, and defeated Pain-- which made the villages view him as a hero, something he wanted his entire life; how was there watching him and smiling? That's right! Hinata. (On an unrelated note: Hinata and Kushina also have even the smallest connections to the Children of Prophecy. Kushina was in the same clan as Nagato, married to Minato, and the mother of Naruto. Hinata went up against Nagato, which caused Naruto to met Minato, and friend of Naruto.)


Hinata being attacked: Hinata being hurt is also why Naruto learned that he couldn't run away from using Kuruma's chakra. In a sense, if she didn't step in, Naruto would've never met his mother, the Shinobi alliance would be screwed, and Obito and Madara essentially would have won by now.

Neji's death: Without Hinata, Naruto would have joined the Obito and Madara. If he joined the 'dark side', he would probably become Hokage in the dream world, but all the villagers he loved would cease to exist.

Hinata's determination: When Naruto ran out of gas, so to speak, Hinata led a team of ninja that formed a defensive line to protect Naruto.

See how much Hinata's actions have played a part in the Naruto world? She doesn't receive as much panel time as other characters, but she's affected so much. I think that it's Kishimoto's way of tying in the whole 'destiny' thing that is not only a big part of the Hyuga clan, but also Naruto and Hinata's relationship.  

^ I agree with this. A whole lot of it has to do with Hinata and she has always been there. With her, many things were able to happen positively as a result.

Very nice post blackiechan35, it's always nice to see NH put into perspective like that. They've become so close since those days in the academy.

blackiechan35 wrote:See how much Hinata's actions have played a part in the Naruto world? She doesn't receive as much panel time as other characters, but she's affected so much. I think that it's Kishimoto's way of tying in the whole 'destiny' thing that is not only a big part of the Hyuga clan, but also Naruto and Hinata's relationship.  

Very true. She's part of a very small group of people that have affected Naruto's life greatly.